Comments on: Weapon Swap Macros – Updated

By: addicted rogue

addicted rogue — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:50:12 +0000

Can this also auto swap weapons in pvp during patch 3.3.3? This addon ( http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shadowdancer3.aspx ) is perfect for it but like is said in comments it is bugged in pvp and can only work in pve.
Idea is to swamp weapons while pvp fight. I mean once you get envenom buff it is better to use instant poison instead of wound because it make duble damaga (and wound [50% healing debuff] will still be on your target). When this envenom buff disappear it should swamp back to you wound dagger. Also would be nice to swap another dagger (fast main hand would be the best) with mind numbing poison. Using mindnumbing and deadly is almost instant apply of mindnumbing to your target (you do not need to shiv) because of you have 2 fast daggers with high proc chance poisons. When mindnumbing is apply to your target it should switch to your main daggers (wound/deadly). Also poisons swap should have priority so addon will know what to do everytime. And the best would be if it check your buffs (for arena preparation buff) and while this buff is acctive it should apply poisons to your daggers.

So by this you would have wound, deadly, mindnumbing, cripling and instant poison dmg at once on your target (you would have protectd wound and nice advantage from more dmg and slower casts – in situation when you have no gouge, no kick, no kidney or vanish or you are just too far for the interupt your targets cast [death gripped, blinked etc]).
I have played for a while by manual swapping weapons in combat but it is uncomfortable so i wanna use some auto swap addon. I am sorry for my bad English, it is not my native language.

By: Last Rogue » 3.3 Patch Notes Updated

Last Rogue » 3.3 Patch Notes Updated — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:37:51 +0000

[...] this is aimed at stopping PVE rogues from bothering to ‘exploit’ poison procs with a weapon swap script – it’s a shame Improved Poisons isn’t really viable for PVP, but hey a bit more [...]

By: Camo

Camo — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:49:41 +0000

One of the elitistjerks wrote an addon for the weapon swap:
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t64665-incoming_rogue_changes_discussion/p18/#post1407139.

By: Cruize

Cruize — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:03:44 +0000

Yep mutilate can proc both hands – envenom/rupture only procs MH. The proc rate from wound poison is a lot more reliable than DP, at the moment I’d rather be able to keep DP topped up than be able to shiv crippling. The proc rate for wound poison is;

1.3 Speed – 46.4%
1.4 Speed – 50.0%
1.5 Speed – 53.6%
1.6 Speed – 57.1%
1.7 Speed – 60.7%
1.8 Speed – 64.3%
2.0 Speed – 71.4%
2.6 Speed – 92.9%
2.8 Speed – 100%

If my math is correct, a mutilate followed by one autoattack should give around an 85% chance of proccing wound poison.

By: Tamatar

Tamatar — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:56:30 +0000

Weapon swaps aside, I’m wondering around another issue: which poison should I main hand. First I need to be sure whether mutilate can procs both hands’ poisons or only main. Is it both right? Would dp stack faster using it main hand then? And which I would prefer to shiv? Crippling wound or dp to refresh a dropping stack? In my case my offhand is also less dps, so main handing it would also mean less white damage..

By: Cruize

Cruize — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:22:22 +0000

I know what you mean, I’ve found in PVE the double IP swap is better for sustained – my dps vs a target dummy went from 1.9k to 2.3k over 9minutes, but that was vs a target that just stood there and let me beat on it. Also in that 9minutes, my wound poison fell off three times and I had to wait 12 seconds to be able to reapply it.

I get the feeling that sustained dps in PVP would suffer with the Outfitter swap – I can easily imagine a situation where poison cleansing meant you were constantly going from 4 to 5 to 4 doses, weapon swapping nonstop and getting a GCD.

I’ll have a play with modifying the script so it swaps MH to an IP dagger after a wound proc – it should stop the problem with GCDs as wound should never get dispelled, but using IP rather than Wound might not be enough extra DPS to make up for the GCDs.

By: Tamatar

Tamatar — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:16:41 +0000

I have a question which would probably require some mathcraft.. of course switching to 2x IP is better for burst damage; but is it better for sustained damage too? The fact that such macros are going to be used by people doing PvE would probably mean yes, despite all the global cooldowns.

What puzzles me more is the fact that, differently from most PvE encounters, our time on the target isn’t very long usually. Add the various poison purges, and I usually need to keep DP on anyway to refresh dispelled doses and to avoid beeing peeled at the end of the DP dot, unable to switch back weapons and refresh it. What I mean is that, even if maths says that 2xIP is an improve to sustained damage, I would probably still switch to it only for bursts, maybe switching for more sustained only against teams with no poison purges and against with I manage to stay on target very easily (don’t know.. something like lock-priest while I stay on lock?)